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Draak Calinca · Feb 28, 2011, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I hope to god it comes out this week, I'm working on all my VQ titles and SS/LB on my new nec currently. And henchies are just god awful

So helloooo 3 Discord, Panic, SF ele, and Smit Prot ;D

Laraja · Feb 28, 2011, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by undead living

I find the 7 hero update stupid, its just going to make people even more isolated. I played guild wars for interaction. I liked joining a group of PEOPLE to do missions. Even if there is a chance of failure, thats just life.

I disagree.

As a social player myself, I also prefer to do things with real people, but I am looking forward to the 7 hero update. There are so many times--so so many times--that people are not available and then I have my 3 heros and some crappy henchmen with bad AI. Social players will still continue to prefer to group up, and loner players can play with their heros.

I think it's a win win for everyone.

Why? · Mar 01, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14

of course it is a win win for everyone. who the heck tries to vanquish with real people? That is just crazy.

Pugs died years ago when everyone realized that if you were pugging something, you probably were bad at it. When everyone in factions started using heroes only for everything, you know the average population of the game was just terrible.

Sadly it has not gotten any better. The few things that actually helped were eventually slaughtered because in a few areas they made things a cakewalk. Too bad.

Chasing Squirrels · Mar 01, 2011, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by shinta_himura

Is everyone ready for the rage when they change things like Drunkard and all the veterans go ballistic?

Like what kinda changes?

shanan1979 · Mar 01, 2011, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I can't wait till the update for 7 heros either. I would recommend to everyone that if you know what you are running buy your runes, and stuff NOW! Once this thing goes live I believe prices will skyrocket... case in point we knew Dervish update was coming once it did the runes were sold out or really high. Just a thought. My heros are ready to go.

I also think the UI update has to be the inventory screen to fit 7 heros in, and also I bet they will improve on the compass somehow 7 tabs just seems... well.. cluttered.

I guess I've been using the more heros anyways having a guildy leave but the controls sucked.

gremlin · Mar 01, 2011, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I suppose the one answer to complaints about full hero parties is to create a third tier of game difficulty.

New hard mode call it what you will No heroes, henchmen consumables or pve skills.

Anaraky · Mar 01, 2011, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by gremlin

I suppose the one answer to complaints about full hero parties is to create a third tier of game difficulty.

New hard mode call it what you will No heroes, henchmen consumables or pve skills.

I disagree since that really wouldn't make it significantly harder, just screw over the people that don't have an active social circle.

aspi · Mar 01, 2011, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Draak Calinca

I hope to god it comes out this week, I'm working on all my VQ titles and SS/LB on my new nec currently. And henchies are just god awful

So helloooo 3 Discord, Panic, SF ele, and Smit Prot ;D

Well after a nice VQ weekend and with the recommendation from various people here and in my guild I can say this. Discord is nothing compared to for instance 2 man physical team. With the AI buff of melee heroes you might wanna try that first. Would be a waste just to run only discord because that works just as good without the sf ele(really an ele for HM??) you can just run it with henchmen.

Quaker · Mar 01, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

And, right after the 7-hero "update", comes the "all the titles that are hard to get" update, the "all the rare weapons as a bonus update", and the "why did you buy the game if you don't want to actually play it" update.

/sarcasm.

TheGizzy · Mar 01, 2011, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Quaker

And, right after the 7-hero "update", comes the "all the titles that are hard to get" update, the "all the rare weapons as a bonus update", and the "why did you buy the game if you don't want to actually play it" update.

/sarcasm.

So people who don't want to play with random strangers who do ridiculous crap like try and deliberately sabotage a survivor, or leech, or otherwise grief the other players... don't actually want to play the game?

Bottom line - people who enjoy partying up with others will continue to do so. Those who are tired of being griefed, tired of spending hours spamming "LFG," tired of having non-elite areas of the game be nearly impossible for them to do with H/H (for whatever reason... lack of skill, unwillingness to use gimmick builds, still new/learning) - will use heroes.

Seems to me that both groups are still playing the game... they're each playing it THEIR way in the way THEY find enjoyable.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people want to dictate how others should be allowed to play... or what constitutes the "right" way for someone else to play the game. As long as it is acceptable under the EULA, who cares?

This is supposed to be a game... it's supposed to be fun. If someone finds PuG'ing fun, awesome. If someone finds 7-heroes fun, that's awesome too. ANet is making it so both types can find their fun in-game.

Quaker · Mar 01, 2011, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

It never ceases to amaze me how many people want to dictate how others should be allowed to play... or what constitutes the "right" way for someone else to play the game. As long as it is acceptable under the EULA, who cares?

I care.

As an analogy - how would you feel after years of learning to play regular hardball baseball to now find that you have to allow the doofusses to use a "T" or to only run to 1st base and back? Or after years of learning to bowl, you now have to play with the kids using those "bumpers" in the gutters.

I don't like seeing the game watered down so the "gamecally challenged" can run around for 3 days and show off their - now meaningless - titles. This will just make it easier for the average noob to get their GWAMM - which, of course, makes GWAMM even more pointless.
Most people can play almost the entire game - in NM or HM - using just the current setup of Heroes and Henchmen.

Of course, I have to admit that, at this point in time it really doesn't matter that much. GW1 is just a waiting room for GW2, and so they are turning it into a bouncy castle to keep the kids entertained. Also, judging by the almost "console-like" approach many of the newer players have to the game - that is, to "beat" the game as fast as possible - ANet is wisely making the game so easy that people will not need to spend any great amount of time (and therefore, network usage) to play it.

TheGizzy · Mar 01, 2011, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I care.

As an analogy - how would you feel after years of learning to play regular hardball baseball to now find that you have to allow the doofusses to use a "T" or to only run to 1st base and back? Or after years of learning to bowl, you now have to play with the kids using those "bumpers" in the gutters.

I don't like seeing the game watered down so the "gamecally challenged" can run around for 3 days and show off their - now meaningless - titles. This will just make it easier for the average noob to get their GWAMM - which, of course, makes GWAMM even more pointless.
Most people can play almost the entire game - in NM or HM - using just the current setup of Heroes and Henchmen.

Of course, I have to admit that, at this point in time it really doesn't matter that much. GW1 is just a waiting room for GW2, and so they are turning it into a bouncy castle to keep the kids entertained. Also, judging by the almost "console-like" approach many of the newer players have to the game - that is, to "beat" the game as fast as possible - ANet is wisely making the game so easy that people will not need to spend any great amount of time (and therefore, network usage) to play it.

Honestly? I've been watching gaming in general get watered down for years. So what? This is akin to me ranting about how when "I" began gaming, it was with a white cursor on a black background that you drove up and down your television screen with paddles... and when "I" began playing MMOs they were called MUDs, and you had to actually imagine where you were in Zork's GUE and figure out if you missed a "Go North" three rooms back - because it was all text.

Gaming evolves for its audience. Individual games ALSO evolve for their audience. From a business standpoint, ANet has to keep GW1 viable and earning money... and that means they have to appeal to the existing player base. Not to the oldtimers who only pop in to farm during special events and otherwise spend most of their time either playing other games (and spending their money elsewhere), or complaining about the "good old days" on the fansites.

That's business.

ANet knows that they will gain more players (returning or new) by making a few drastic and much-argued-over changes to the game than they will stroking long-term players' egos. Is it fair to the long-term players? Of course not. Customer loyalty rarely pays off to the same degree that it is offered, especially in the gaming industry.

But they are a business, and they have investors & shareholders & partners who demand they earn money. Soothing the egos of long-term players is not conducive to that goal, unfortunately.

And in the end - these changes don't actually change anything. Those who H/H are still going to H/H. Those who don't, won't. The work you put into your titles is done... and I would assume you ENJOYED doing it or else you wouldn't have done it. Pretty stupid to do something you don't enjoy, yeah? The player-base ANet now has to please has different definitions of what is enjoyable than the one they originally had to appeal to... they can either change with the player-base, or find themselves answering to a lot of pissed off investors.

Which do you think they're going to choose?

chessyang · Mar 01, 2011, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

Which do you think they're going to choose?

the money of course! and i agree with what you said below.

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

But they are a business, and they have investors & shareholders & partners who demand they earn money. Soothing the egos of long-term players is not conducive to that goal, unfortunately.

man can't Thursday come any faster! that way we know it's not this week and should be next week.

Quaker · Mar 01, 2011, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by TheGizzy

Gaming evolves for its audience. Individual games ALSO evolve for their audience.

That's business.

ANet knows that they will gain more players (returning or new) by making a few drastic and much-argued-over changes to the game than they will stroking long-term players' egos.

I partially agree with you. It is business.

And, I agree that games do evolve to suit their audience. But, in most cases, games will split off into sub-sets of the genre instead of watering down the existing game. Taking the baseball example again, MLB does not play in the same field as little league or T-ball. Instead they have separate leagues.

It's debatable that catering to the new players - who only bought GW because it was cheap - is better than catering to the old players who have and will spend money.

And, obviously the best way ANet could have made more money would have been to bring out more campaigns or expansions for GW1, but they've decided to concentrate on GW2 instead.

This has resulted in the gutting of GW1 - and while I can understand why, I don't need to like it.

For a while I was very concerned that GW2 would start out as kiddified as GW1 has become, but from seeing the demos, I have some hope that it will be a "real" game. (I want to play hardball, not T-ball.)

The watering down of GW1 does have many effects such as the de-leeting of titles and the greater availability of in-game gold, rare weapons, etc.
But again, let me emphasize that this is all moot given that GW1 is just a waiting room for GW2. I'm not really complaining about it, I'm just being sarcastic about it.

P.s. I don't have GWAMM. My main has 26 titles and all I would need for GWAMM is sweettooth, party animal, treasure hunter, wisdom and/or a couple of others. But, why bother, especially now? I would only go for GWAMM for the title - there's no "fun" to be had by eating sweets or firing off fireworks - and the title becomes less and less meaningful as time goes by. To the point where it has become more of an "I'm a noob" title.

aspi · Mar 01, 2011, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Quaker

I partially agree with you. It is business.
But, why bother, especially now? I would only go for GWAMM for the title - there's no "fun" to be had by eating sweets or firing off fireworks - and the title becomes less and less meaningful as time goes by. To the point where it has become more of an "I'm a noob" title.

Use sweets/booze by doing what they intended, during gameplay. Same as drunk use it on a war it works great. Spamming sweets and booz in an outpost is indeed boring, but just because I have my sweet title dont asume I did it by mindlessly spamming cakes in LA :/

Asia Skyly · Mar 01, 2011, 08:04 PM // 20:04

How come no one mentions Skill Hunter in this discussion? The whole title is annoying. I do not need nor want a Soul Reaping Elite on my primary monk. I do however, want that skill on my necromancer.

Skill hunter should be account wide. Did you get the skill (yes/no)? That should be all that counts.

I have every monk skill on my monk, every Mesmer skill on my Mesmer and so on and on. Getting them again on my monk, my primary by FORCE (I would have never choses a primary character as I love them all), is the very definition of senseless grinding.

Captain Bulldozer · Mar 01, 2011, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Asia Skyly

How come no one mentions Skill Hunter in this discussion? The whole title is annoying. I do not need nor want a Soul Reaping Elite on my primary monk. I do however, want that skill on my necromancer.

Skill hunter should be account wide. Did you get the skill (yes/no)? That should be all that counts.

I have every monk skill on my monk, every Mesmer skill on my Mesmer and so on and on. Getting them again on my monk, my primary by FORCE (I would have never choses a primary character as I love them all), is the very definition of senseless grinding.

I agree that it would be nice if it worked that way. My guess is that it would be a tricky thing to code to work as you suggest. We know there is acct wide coding for "unlocking skills" and there is obviously coding for individually learned skill. What you propose is somewhere in between. I've always felt it should work that way myself though... or even that the skill hunter titles should require that you somehow learn EVERY skill rather than just the elites.

gremlin · Mar 02, 2011, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by Asia Skyly

How come no one mentions Skill Hunter in this discussion? The whole title is annoying. I do not need nor want a Soul Reaping Elite on my primary monk. I do however, want that skill on my necromancer.

Skill hunter should be account wide. Did you get the skill (yes/no)? That should be all that counts.

I have every monk skill on my monk, every Mesmer skill on my Mesmer and so on and on. Getting them again on my monk, my primary by FORCE (I would have never choses a primary character as I love them all), is the very definition of senseless grinding.

Pre hom I would have said all titles are individual achievements and many said the same how can one character have a drunk title when they don't drink.
Or another have cartography title on a country they have never been to.

With the advent of the hom I don't care any more, logic is out the name of the game is to get everything into the hom buy GW2 and move on.

Got my 30 points anyway and the only titles that are going to be worth anything will be earned in GW2

Quaker · Mar 02, 2011, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Asia Skyly

How come no one mentions Skill Hunter in this discussion? The whole title is annoying. I do not need nor want a Soul Reaping Elite on my primary monk. I do however, want that skill on my necromancer.

It's only annoying if you don't like doing it.

Personally, I thought it was fun to try to cap every elite (on my Ranger). As a side benefit, all my heroes have access to every elite and every other character only needs to use a Tome if I'm too lazy to cap it again.

Asia Skyly · Mar 02, 2011, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Quaker

It's only annoying if you don't like doing it.

Personally, I thought it was fun to try to cap every elite (on my Ranger). As a side benefit, all my heroes have access to every elite and every other character only needs to use a Tome if I'm too lazy to cap it again.

Is a poorly implemented title. I too have access to all skills on my heroes (by virtue of have all elites unlocked over several characters), but that does not change the fact that the implementation of the title is nonsensical.

The title should look at skills acquired over the entire account.

Feb 28, 2011, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#41
Draak Calinca Lol wat is retirement :) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Washington State. Guild: IGN: Wydz Luvs Profession: Me/	I hope to god it comes out this week, I'm working on all my VQ titles and SS/LB on my new nec currently. And henchies are just god awful So helloooo 3 Discord, Panic, SF ele, and Smit Prot ;D __________________ Music is my life. <3 Always up for Forge Runs, just pm me in game for a free one =)

Mar 01, 2011, 12:14 AM // 00:14	#43
Why? Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Society Of Souls [Argh] Profession: N/Me	of course it is a win win for everyone. who the heck tries to vanquish with real people? That is just crazy. Pugs died years ago when everyone realized that if you were pugging something, you probably were bad at it. When everyone in factions started using heroes only for everything, you know the average population of the game was just terrible. Sadly it has not gotten any better. The few things that actually helped were eventually slaughtered because in a few areas they made things a cakewalk. Too bad.

Mar 01, 2011, 01:15 AM // 01:15	#45
shanan1979 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2010 Profession: R/	I can't wait till the update for 7 heros either. I would recommend to everyone that if you know what you are running buy your runes, and stuff NOW! Once this thing goes live I believe prices will skyrocket... case in point we knew Dervish update was coming once it did the runes were sold out or really high. Just a thought. My heros are ready to go. I also think the UI update has to be the inventory screen to fit 7 heros in, and also I bet they will improve on the compass somehow 7 tabs just seems... well.. cluttered. I guess I've been using the more heros anyways having a guildy leave but the controls sucked.

Mar 01, 2011, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#46
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	I suppose the one answer to complaints about full hero parties is to create a third tier of game difficulty. New hard mode call it what you will No heroes, henchmen consumables or pve skills.

Mar 01, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23	#49
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	And, right after the 7-hero "update", comes the "all the titles that are hard to get" update, the "all the rare weapons as a bonus update", and the "why did you buy the game if you don't want to actually play it" update. /sarcasm.

Mar 01, 2011, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#56
Asia Skyly Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Profession: Mo/	How come no one mentions Skill Hunter in this discussion? The whole title is annoying. I do not need nor want a Soul Reaping Elite on my primary monk. I do however, want that skill on my necromancer. Skill hunter should be account wide. Did you get the skill (yes/no)? That should be all that counts. I have every monk skill on my monk, every Mesmer skill on my Mesmer and so on and on. Getting them again on my monk, my primary by FORCE (I would have never choses a primary character as I love them all), is the very definition of senseless grinding.